Online Poker Forum - Don't ever report anyone for chat abuse

LemmycautioN · High Card Joined: 07 Nov 2009 Posts: 7

So I just received notice from fulltilt that they are suspending my chat for the third time. This time my chat is suspended for six months. The reason that I'm writing this post is because the circumstances, as well as the circumstances last time I had my chat suspended are very similar.

The first time I had my chat suspended I completely deserved it, I said some very harsh things and I accepted the suspension. I decided never to go on any tirades against a player and stuck to the average and occasional "you're a donk" or "nice suck-out, fish". I say that these are average statements because I see someone call a player a donkey pretty much every day. So I continued the engaging in normal conversation and occasionally calling someone and "idiot" for around six months until one day I saw a player calling another person a "stupid jew" or something like that. The player had made a couple other racist remarks towards other players including myself so I reported him; three days later I received a letter saying that my chat was being suspended for calling someone a "luckbox" and an "idiot". The ironic thing is that I had been calling people luckboxes and idiots for almost a year; what a coincidence that I would get this suspension just days after I reported someone.
Any I got my chat privileges back and for around seven months I was back to the regular normal use of the chat and the occasional "nice suckout, moron" I hadn't really expected to have any problems talking to other players like that because I see that kind of chat on a daily basis and there isn't anything wrong with it. Well around a week ago I knocked some donkey out of a tournament and he decided to harass me from the rail - which was weird because I put him all in with queens and he had AK off and the queens held up so it wasn't really a tragedy. In any case after around ten minutes of this guy harassing me, looking up my stats and sharing them with the table - which was really weird because my ROI is positive and his was negative - telling other players that I raise with junk, etc, I told him that I'd report him and when he kept going I did report him. Guess what, four days later I get a notice saying that my chat privileges are being suspended because two days after I reported this guy I called another person a moron for calling my all in preflop with King 7 against QQ.

So is this another crazy coincidence or does reporting a player for chat abuse make you more likely to be suspended yourself. I called dozens of people morons - mind you not making any ethical violations or really harassing anyone, just a little "moron" "donkey" or "fish" when someone deserves it - so what a coincidence that I have my chat put under a microscope after I report somebody myself.

Is it just me or does that chat abuse people seem to be punishing players that report other players?

fletch_smf · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject:

My suggestion is to stop calling people names. I have never done so, and I have never had my chat suspended. Seems to work out pretty well.

OrieJr · Three of a Kind Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 82

jeffr8 · Inspector Gadget Joined: 22 Oct 2006 Posts: 3259

I agree with OP. You're suppose to be an adult to be gambling, if you aren't adult enough to ignore something then you shouldn't be playing in the first place.

Don't report people.
(I'm chatless on PS and FTP now...)

hghlndr6 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 2221

phiNny · Four of a Kind Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Posts: 289

You deserve it.

cannonwillow · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject:

just yell at the screen when pissed off or mad at a player. You dont need to type it in...

junkbutton · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject:

PJs Ronin · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:35 pm Post subject:

Find a player called Mikah and have a chat with him. It will solve all our problems.

bubulone · Three of a Kind Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 84

You have the "Muted" option for every player. When someone calls you an idiot you can very well mute him and you won't see his messages.

As for suspending your chat ... you agreed to the site rules when you signed up to Full Tilt, and those rules state you can't insult people. If you call just one person an "idiot" then you should get banned for chatting.

In your case I guess it's countless insulted people, so they shouldn't enable your chat soon.

karv214 · High Card Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 19

Moron is considered chat abuse, it is an insult based on mentally disabled people.

I've never called anyone names in poker. I get knocked out plenty holding premium hands. More than I care to share. But if there is a fish/donkey at the ring game, I WANT TO KEEP HIM THERE. So name calling will never do in that situation (someone did on a really juicy guy, and he left). I get knocked out, I go outside and cool off if I'm po'd about it.

On any Poker site (I've reported a PS and UB, but not here yet), you're chat will be monitored as well (because the guy I reported on UB, I did call him a few choice names, got warning, but no suspension). Just keep that in mind. b I would have reported for over abuse of racist comments from the rail (you can't mute those, I don't think). But more often than not, if you ignore, they go away.

LemmycautioN · High Card Joined: 07 Nov 2009 Posts: 7

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There's your answer. Laughing

Dozens of complaints = ban.[/quote]

I think you've - and a few other repliers - missed the point; whether or not you agree with me that calling someone a donkey isn't a big deal makes no difference. The point that I am making is that the full tilt team on a whole ignores small violations like name calling until you personally make a chat abuse report, then they come after you. I guarantee that if I had never filed either of those two complaints I would have never had my chat suspended; that was the point that I was making.

Also, I don't know if I just play too much or what, but I see people insult other players on a daily basis and, aside from it being part of the game, - like **** talking in any other sport - it seems too commonplace on fulltiltpoker to be a violation. Remember when Mike Matusow was talking **** to Greg Raymer - the year Raymer won - calling him a fatso and saying that he has no balls? That was way worse than calling someone a donkey and that was the World Series.

Here is an example of one of my "offenses" - although it went unnoticed like thousands of other people's "offenses" because I hadn't yet reported someone for chat abuse:

I was in the cutoff with AhKh. I opened with a 3x raise, the SB re-raised to around 10x BB, I called. We were chip even. The flop came As 2c Kd and he immediately shoved all in, I called and he showed 9c 8s. The turn and river came 9 9. I was reduced to around 3 BB and I said "nice work donkey"

Now, I know that there are people who don't talk, and there are people who never ever say anything negative, but from my experience there are thousands of players that a would have said the same thing, if not worse - and there isn't anything wrong with that.

I understand if people need to ask fulltiltpoker to help them if they're being harassed, for example someone from the rail needling them for fifteen minutes or if someone is colluding or sharing information about a player - which is an actual violation of poker rules - but a quick little jab is basically part of poker and if you can't accept that you're playing the wrong game. I mean when I started playing poker I didn't know what a donkey or a fish was in relation to poker but I do now. Why do I know what those words mean? Because I see people call each other those names all the time. They're part of the poker vernacular because people call each other those things.

Anyway the original point that I was making is that the fulltilt staff will only look at your chat logs if you report someone for a serious offense, which is really lazy and vindictive.

karv214 · High Card Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 19

They didn't suspend you for fish or donkey, they suspended you for Moron (you missed the point - I've seen what words they flag). And yes, I KNOW they go over your logs to if you report. So don't use words like Moron and Idiot, and you'll be fine (please re read your first post). Donkey, they won't (though I've never really used it).

P.S. Being 50 gives me a little time around the world so to speak, so I don't feel the need as much to vent my frustration on a tiny chat box. Phil H and Mike M are great guys, but I don't want to emulate everything they do.

LemmycautioN · High Card Joined: 07 Nov 2009 Posts: 7

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How adult is it to call people names? When I gamble I expect to play with adults.

Just like the OP blaming the 'morons' for sucking out on him, it's kinda silly to blame other players for losing chat privileges. A player can't ban another player's chat. FT has rules in place, and if someone breaks them, they should expect the consequences.[/quote]

Full Tilt ignores the chat rules until you file a complaint against someone, then they monitor your chat. Last time I had my chat suspended 4 days after I filed a complaint, this time I had my chat suspended 3 days after filing a complaint. I didn't file any complaints in between those times. I never blamed other players for losing my chat privileges, I pointed out that fulltilt will ban your chat if you report a chat violation and will not even enforce their own rules if you don't file a complaint.

Lucky8623 · Straight Flush Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 388

You reported bad chat/when you did it yourself... and then you want to speak about it like its bad of them doing so? You want to punish these "donks that beat you" by calling Mods on them.. when you got caught to? You little kid grow the fuk up. I got chat banned for little things. I dont say oh donk this and that.. its the game not them(IMO) and there just stupid to call till end. I get banned for saying ffs or gtfo.

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