Online Poker Forum - AK spot in the fifty fifty

MattElsarelli · Straight Flush Joined: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 411

No reads on table. Standard 3 bet squeeze spot right? How do I go about this after the flop?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (8 handed) - from HandHistoryConverter.com

BB (t4385)
UTG (t5590)
UTG+1 (t2975)
MP1 (t10714)
MP2 (t4250)
CO (t809)
Button (t6545)
Hero (SB) (t8205)

Hero's M: 27.35

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, K

UTG bets t400, 1 fold, MP1 calls t400, 3 folds, Hero raises to t1125, 1 fold, UTG calls t725, MP1 calls t725

Flop: (t3575) 5

, Q

(3 players)
Hero?

JagNole88 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:16 am Post subject:

Pre I think the 3bet is a little small, but it's not really a big deal. Post I think a nice check rasie all in would work nicely.

tracysanders · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:09 am Post subject:

preflop- I like a flat here personally, as most in the 50-50 have at least a bit of positional awareness- no need to inflate the pot preflop here. This would allow me an opportunity to check flop and reevaluate based on his actions/prior betting patterns.

If you are going to 3 bet preflop I go around 2k-2400 as you are only pricing the limpers in with your bet.

As played on the flop--- I think you have to lead for around 1999-2500 or shove into them and pray. C/f is your only other option and that makes my stomach turn

tracysanders · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:11 am Post subject:

Jag- check shoving is not gonna work because neither has the stack to bet/fold- if they put more chips in they HAVE to call a shove.

Edit missed the flush draw- I porlly just shove flop here into the shorties

tracysanders · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:35 am Post subject:

FWIW- I butchered my original posts so this will be my final answer

FLAT preflop, I hate 3betting here.

As played bet flop 2499/ call any reshove

jaejaejae · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:37 am Post subject:

francois8 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject:

I prefer flatting, but 3-betting is also OK I think pf.

As played, I just shove that flop. I don't want to call a shove, I don't want to see another card, I don't want people to have any illusion that they can put me off the hand. As long as they don't have QQ or 55, we have outs... but we don't know what they all are. If they want to call all in, well good for them, I put them to the test here. If they have pocket pair, our A and K are also good here, but its tough to count them if someone else shoves first.

I'd prefer to find that out by letting the other person call off their chips, hard to do if they have something like JJ here.

cardfish2 · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject:

JJsell · Three of a Kind Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 90

Just out of interest, are we flatting here because the utg has raised and we are assuming that utg's range is tight and dont want to be put to a decision on calling a 4bet??. Or do you feel we get more value by flatting pf???

JDizzzle72 · Message Board Junkie Joined: 01 Mar 2008 Posts: 3954

i like a flat significantly more, and actually relaly don't like a 3bet pre at all because you create a hugely inflated pot OOP with big stacks behind still, first to act without a good plan pre antes. And 2/3 of the time all you have OTF is A high.

i probably c/c and shove the turn to try to give the illusion of FE. And c/c followed by a shove on the next street looks significantly stronger than c/s imo because you never are gonna c/c flop and fold later. open shoving seems super spazzy and will almost always get called down by any pair. I know I would snap w any pair if somone just spazjammed that flop. That is literally AK every single time with this preflop action and flop texture. No other hands would want to take that line without some insane metagame resulting from lots of play versus an opponent. Mid PPs would feel safe enough to try to lure a caller. Qx obv wants to get stacks in. AJ will c/f if dumb enough to have 3bet pre.

These people were bad enough to A) UTG minraise/call, and B) flat/flat. I feel they are also bad enough to make a committing bet OTF and fold later. And there are essentially 0 bad turn cards for us other than ones that would fill up their probable PPs. But we have no way to know exactly what cards those are. I would argue JJ-55 are all smack dab in the middle of their ranges - a range we're slightly behind as it stands, but have many outs to improve against assuming no boats. If we can include AK in their ranges, we're ahead of their range. If we can include more than that in their range, they're both ridiculously bad and we should want them around as long as possible Smile

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