Online Poker Forum - AA 5NL, next hand QQ

muzmund · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: AA 5NL, next hand QQ

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (7 handed) - Converter Tool from

CO ($3.65)
Button ($4.76)
SB ($1.60)
BB ($7.59)
UTG ($4.71)
MP1 ($5.07)
Hero (MP2) ($6.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, A

2 folds, Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 8

, 8

, 9

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.07 | Rake: $0.05

Correct move?

Next hand

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Converter Tool from

MP2 ($4.22)
CO ($4.76)
Button ($1.58)
SB ($7.44)
BB ($4.71)
UTG ($5.07)
UTG+1 ($3.35)
Hero (MP1) ($6.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q

, Q

1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, Hero bets $0.15, MP2 calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.67) 7

, A

, 8

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.97) 10

(2 players)
Hero not sure what to do....

bigpairde · Chipluder Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 8906

hand 1:
i bet more otf and there is no way i am folding that

hand 2:
i raise more pre because of the deadmoney and i cbet the flop

ohsnapzbrah · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject:

Yeah, why in the world are you folding the top hand? Can you really pin him on an 8 or 99?
Hand 2, +1 BP

cjcarroll · High Card Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 12

I had no problem with your opening raise of 3x BB, and you went into the flop a favorite against two players. I also liked the value bet after the flop. He gave you all the info you needed to fold. His call before the flop indicated some strength, and in late position it was not at all unlikely that he was holding a middle pair like 8's or 9's or one of each, and all of those hands, a total of six hands in all.

Meanwhile, you would have needed an A to beat his trip 8s or 9s or a made full house 8s full of 9s, only two outs. Of course, quad 8's would mean you'd have to draw both As, a very unlikely event.

What other hands might he have called your pre-flop raise with? A-x is less likely, given that you have two of them, but not out of the question. He might have AK figuring he had a better kicker than you if he was putting you on an ace. But the big re-raise OTF wouldn't have made sense, then (unless he was stone-cold bluffing). Pocket Ks or Qs and I would have expected a re-raise pre-flop, so I'm not putting him on those either. I wouldn't put him on anything else, either unless he was a highly aggressive player.

What might he have been putting you on? Maybe this wasn't part of his calculations since many novice players only consider their own hands. Otherwise, middle to high pairs, AK, AQ, AJ, and maybe KQ or marginally KJ, or a flush draw. I would not have put you on middle connectors (suited or not) in your early position. So I'd be looking at six, possibly seven pairs that are beating the board right now (A's - 8's), but as many as ninety other high card combos that didn't hit (16 possibilities of making the five hands above). With this in mind, he clearly wanted to take the pot down now before one of your pocket cards hit a pair.

On the other hand, his over-the-top raise is suspicious. The pot wasn't that huge at this point and had I flopped a monster like quads, a full house, or even trips the correct move would have been to slow-play them. Two pair was a less likely holding, but, who knows, some people will call a pre-flop raise with A9, K9 or even less.

It was tough lay down, no doubt, and I respect you for it. You didn't risk almost half your stack for a hand you may well have lost to anyway.

In terms of your Qs on the second hand: if I'd bet 3x the BB just the round before, I'd now up it to 5X the BB both to mix up my play, and to make better sure that more players fold. Sure enough, although 3X is the standard raise when there are no raises in front of you, it was too weak to chase more players from the hand. The strength of your Qs was diminished against two players versus just one. Not a bad raise, though.

The flop was a little scary, though with the A and possible flush draw. A straight draw was also possible, but unlikely. You were right to check here. The smallish raise behind you was interesting. He probably would have re-raised before the flop with top pairs, and might have bet bigger if he had an A with a strong kicker, and checked with Kx, so I'm putting him on Ax for now.

You're not sure what to do on the turn. A useless 10d shows up and you're up first. So do you bet or check?

Again, think about the his possible holdings that match the kind of player he is and the bets he's made so far this hand. If he has an A with any kicker, he's the absolute favorite. If he has a weak kicker he might have folded to a nice raise before, but you really can't represent As anymore given your call to a weak bet OTF. He could also have bet so mildly with second pair, which makes sense given his small raise, but I would have folded any 8 to your pre-flop raise in a second.

If you decide to raise, you have to raise big in order to chase him away. He will probably call a small to medium raise. A big raise looks suspicious, unless he puts you on trip 10s. Then, there's the chance that he'll call a big raise and beat you with As.

So I would recommend checking here and see what he does.

NilesMonkey · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject:

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