Online Poker Forum - 50nl - 55 flops FH and sees a horrible turn card

adam27x

Villain is 46/20 over 62 hands. What's my plan after the turn hits?

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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($16.65)
BB ($58.20)
UTG ($63.50)
UTG+1 ($29)
UTG+2 ($14)
Hero ($62)
CO ($10)
BTN ($50)

Dealt to Hero 5 Diamond

5

UTG raises to $3, fold, fold, Hero calls $3, fold, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($7.25) 5 Spade

T

UTG bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25

TURN ($21.75) 5 Spade

T

UTG checks, Hero?

nolan6 · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject:

id bet fold about 2/3 and wonder about raising the flop, if he has AA/KK or a T does he have to stack off to you?

cubbies760 · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject:

Absolutely raise the flop to ~$20, but as played, I'd stab about 1/2 pot OTT while being prepared to not put anymore money into the pot.

adam27x · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject:

fwiw he raised a bit big pre because there was a poster. I don't really like raising the flop because it folds out all of his air and I'm still getting value from all of his other worse hands almost always. And there's definitely a ton of air in his range.

nolan6 · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject:

templar rage · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject:

I'm fine with flatting the flop. The board is really dry and he may decide to value-town himself with his air, while he is really drawing to at best 3 outs. As played, I think I like the check turn/snap river since I don't think much that you beat would call a double barrel, but you can snap the likely river bet which will be a bluff some amount of the time.

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gamblingparlour · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject:

I think flatting the flop is perfectly fine. I would bet the turn 1/2 pot and fold to a raise.

templar rage · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject:

vectorspace · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject:

Fold pre

Flop is fine. Alternate between raising and flatting.

Check the turn with the intention of also checking otr. Betting defines the villain's hand. That's really all it does. Save your money and check this down. You're getting very few better hands to fold (maybe 66-99 if you also bet otr). I don't think anything worse calls either (small chance he gets stubborn with AK or AQ, but I doubt it.)

You've got a tough decision otr if he leads out. At least you can get to a showdown reasonably by calling. You would have been forced to fold if you bet ott and got raised.

gamblingparlour · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject:

nolan6 · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject:

gamblingparlour · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject:

nolan6, if you are not betting the turn, you are calling their river bet. Either way there is more money going into the pot. The way I see it, why give them a crack at a free card to suckout when you can win the pot right now. I think this is a good example of protecting your hand. I only like slow playing when you have a monster.

nolan6 · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject:

its all about ranges baby..

66,77,88,99 all call us on turn.
AJ,AK,AQ,KJ,KQ,JQ all fold on turn.

66,77,88,99 all check on river..we check behind.
AJ,AK etc bet on high card river (maybe) we call and we win more often than we lose.

and this is potcontrol not slowplay.

adam27x · Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject:

The flop call can be considered a slowplay, but a turn check is because there aren't many worse hands willing to call (and any hand that beats me certainly isn't leaving).

We're both 110bbs deep pre (ie I'm getting 20:1 to setmine), he's bad, he opened UTG so his range could be a bit narrower than normal (so he may pay me off more often when I hit), and I have position so I think pre is perfectly fine.

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