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crtsports
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: 2NL - Set of Kings after flop Reply with quote

A hand that happened an hour or so ago. Knowing that I was ahead after the turn and my attempt to get paid off, trap me in the end with my bet after the flop? Should I have shoved after the turn since it was obvious he was chasing something? Is QT in his range of hands here or possibly AA trying to hope I hit that K and will hang myself?


Full Tilt Poker, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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Hero (MP1): $2
MP2: $5.98
CO: $4
BTN: $0.68
SB: $2
BB: $1.37
UTG: $1.81
UTG+1: $2.20
UTG+2: $0.98

Pre-Flop: KClub KDiamond dealt to Hero (MP1)
UTG raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 5 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.31) 9Club 2Spade KSpade (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.18, UTG calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.67) 6Club (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.46, UTG calls $0.46

River: ($1.59) JDiamond (2 Players)
UTG bets $1.03 and is All-In, Hero ???
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G Goddard
Four of a Kind


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind numbingly easy call OTR. Otherwise well played.
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TinkyTyler
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snapcall fistpump.
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bleffo19
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

snap-call. 3-bet more pre. bet more OTF and OTT imo. otherwise good
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crtsports
Two Pair


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did end up "snap calling" like you all said and I fist pumped like TinkyTyler said, into my desk!

River: ($1.59) JDiamond (2 Players)
UTG bets $1.03 and is All-In, Hero calls $1.03

Results: $3.65 Pot ($0.24 Rake)
Hero mucked KClub KDiamond (three of a kind, Kings) and LOST (-$1.81 NET)
UTG showed QClub TClub (a straight, King high) and WON $3.41 (+$1.60 NET)
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rich99cook
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's horrible play by Villain. An UTG raise with QT ...

Calling off $0.64 of his stack on 4 outs... Idiot play. Unlucky crtsports
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craigo6x
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rich99cook wrote:
That's horrible play by Villain. An UTG raise with QT ...

Calling off $0.64 of his stack on 4 outs... Idiot play. Unlucky crtsports


Turned a flush draw-12 outs on the river.

Yes its a snap call.
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rich99cook
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, forgot about the clubs.

But I wouldn't be calling $0.46 on 12 outs OTR
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Timdef2000
Pair


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hes holds q-10 0.01% of the time in that spot
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LitUp43
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rich99cook wrote:
That's horrible play by Villain. An UTG raise with QT ...


Care to elaborate?


I would have bet like $.28 OTF, or just made it $.20-$.24 preflop.
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bleffo19
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crtsports wrote:
I did end up "snap calling" like you all said and I fist pumped like TinkyTyler said, into my desk!

River: ($1.59) JDiamond (2 Players)
UTG bets $1.03 and is All-In, Hero calls $1.03

Results: $3.65 Pot ($0.24 Rake)
Hero mucked KClub KDiamond (three of a kind, Kings) and LOST (-$1.81 NET)
UTG showed QClub TClub (a straight, King high) and WON $3.41 (+$1.60 NET)


this is why we raise more pre and bet more on the flop and on the turn.

idiot player though. take note - he will make you lotz of moniezzz in the future
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cjcarroll
High Card


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you had to call his big raise OTR with trip Ks.

In retrospect, your raise OTF was too small. He had a possible flush draw then and it would have been better to make him pay dearly to see another card. A pot-sized bet (.37) should have been sufficient to either chase him away. If he called you would still be the favorite looking at a nice pot. The turn card presented another possible flush draw which I would not want to discount out of hand. An Ac or As suited with any other card (probably a high card) would have explained his betting up to this point, and offered him as many as 9 outs either way.

You're bet OTT was not sufficient to chase him in hindsight, but it was a correct sized-bet. He was very foolish to call, although he did get lucky OTR. He did not have the right odds to call. As it turned out, he called a 2/3 pot raise when he only had four outs.

To tell you the truth I would not have put him on the gut-shot straight draw that he actually had (and eventually made). But his UTG raise had it's obvious merits. He represented a lot more strength than he actually had, so his fairly weak holding was well diguised. I would almost certainly fold here, except maybe on a very tight board where I'm looking to mix up my play a little. I have noticed that players in low-stakes games will bet with almost anything, though.
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rich99cook
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LitUp43 wrote:
rich99cook wrote:
That's horrible play by Villain. An UTG raise with QT ...


Care to elaborate?


I would have bet like $.28 OTF, or just made it $.20-$.24 preflop.

Ok.

I wouldn't raise with QTs UTG on a full ring. I guess it's one of those borderline hands where it depends on individual preference though... and then call a raise on flop from early position with a gutshot draw and backdoor flush draw. UTG got lucky.


bleffo19 wrote:
idiot player though. take note - he will make you lotz of moniezzz in the future

I agree with this line of thought.
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adam27x
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really think preference has much to do with it, raising QTs UTG at FR is almost always bad.
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ohsnapzbrah
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call. Celebrate. Hopefully break something less than $10 in response.
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