Online Poker Forum - 2NL - JJ - Correct to shove here?

crtsports · Two Pair Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 71

This is my second hand at the table. After my raise, I was surprised that we went five to the flop and three to the turn. Figured I might have found a very loose table. But my main question here is after the turn was my shove the correct move? With possible straight draws and a flush draw out there, I wanted the chasers gone.

But what crossed my mind after, was just shoving after the flop because I am sure if anyone had QQ,KK,AK,AA would have re-popped me instead of calling. So I was fairly certain I was ahead after the flop.

Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players

UTG: $0.93
UTG+1: $1.40
Hero (MP): $2
CO: $1.58
BTN: $1.87
SB: $0.43
BB: $1.98

Pre-Flop: J

J

dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, SB folds, BB calls $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.41) T

3

8

(5 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.32, CO folds, BTN calls $0.32, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.37) 8

(3 Players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.60 and is All-In, BTN folds, UTG+1 calls $1 and is All-In

ohsnapzbrah · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:44 am Post subject:

Raise more OTF. It's amazingly drawy for 2nl. Actually, just jam the pot button there.
OTT, the only thing that may call that you have beat is Tx. People also do slowplay high pocket pairs at 2nl, trying to get more money in. However, betting any less is useless, checking down will put you in a weird spot, so shoving, by process of elimination, is probably best.

crtsports · Two Pair Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 71

Thanks for the reply ohsnapzbrah. You might laugh at what he turned over.

Turn: ($1.37) 8

(3 Players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.60 and is All-In, BTN folds, UTG+1 calls $1 and is All-In

River: ($3.37) 3

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $3.37 Pot ($0.22 Rake)
UTG+1 showed 6

3

and WON $3.15 (+$1.75 NET)
Hero showed J

J

and LOST (-$1.40 NET)

cjcarroll · High Card Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 12

That was a tough beat. In retrospect, your slightly-more-than-pot-sized bet OTF should have been enough to chase away both opponents. At less than even money they wasn't getting the right odds with a flush draw. His check probably meant that the flop missed him (probably a couple of high cards), that he was slowplaying a bigger pair (still) or trip 10s or 8s, or that he was on a flush draw. He called your big raise (but didn't re-raise), which smells funny to me. Without the right odds for a flush draw to call, either he has a couple of high cards or is slowplaying trips.

Shoving would have been okay, though it's not how I would have played it. Now he most definitely would not have had the right odds to call, unless he already had trip tens, a long shot. Folding would have been the right call for him.

As it turns out, an AI may have been the only way to chase him, after all.

You must have been surprised to get so many calls to your standard raise in early/middle position. UTG+1 had to like the pot odds of almost 6-1. In the end he got very lucky drawing that third trey.

You took a beating, but you played it exactly right, as I see it.

HuJwang · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

LitUp43 · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject:

What Hujwang said +1. People most of the time don't care to think about what you have.

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