Online Poker Forum - $2+.25. When should I shut it down here?

marsupial311 · Royal Flush Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 502

Most of the table is shortstacked this late in the tournament. I feel like I should either shut down long before the river or at least shoved the rest of my chips in on the river since there was no chance he wasn't betting.

Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2000/t4000 Blinds + t500 - 9 players -
The Official Hand History

MP1: t121974 M = 11.62
MP2: t43220 M = 4.12
CO: t37418 M = 3.56
BTN: t145764 M = 13.88
SB: t68832 M = 6.56
BB: t88690 M = 8.45
Hero (UTG): t79712 M = 7.59
UTG+1: t10283 M = 0.98
UTG+2: t41580 M = 3.96

Pre Flop: (t10500) Hero is UTG with J

A

Hero raises to t9000, 5 folds, BTN calls t9000, 2 folds

Flop: (t28500) K

Q

(2 players)
Hero bets t12000, BTN calls t12000

Turn: (t52500) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets t20000, BTN calls t20000

River: (t92500) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t92500, Hero ???

cubbies760 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:48 am Post subject:

I'd check/fold the flop, and I'd consider just folding PF, but making a standard raise may not be bad.

Once you got called OTF, I'd probably be shutting down there.

JJsell · Three of a Kind Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 91

I would just fold pf utg with AJo, you still have a big enough M to wait for a better hand/position than AJ utg. Let the blinds go round and be looking for a good position to steal or get it in when you have a better hand.

bleffo19 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:14 am Post subject:

fold pre. almost every stack behind us is a perfect reshove stack. plus you're UTG

i think i check/fold flop. that hits a big part of his range. as played after flop bet c/f turn

francois8 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject:

Anyone shove preflop here? Same stacks, I'm in LP I certainly do it... No stacks are big enough that they can call us lightly.

lovebeefstew · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:17 am Post subject:

Shoving pre is bad imo. I think folding pre is better. As played I usually always have another crack on the flop given that his flat often lends itself to a PP and this flop smashed our range. Certainly just shutdown or shove OTT, shutting down being the obvious choice without reads.

TinkyTyler · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject:

doyle11 · Flush Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 128

im defintely shovin preflop wit this M...theres no way im foldin ace jack in this spot....a shove is probably the best move but given ur spot u either move in and hope for the best like the above post said, or just check fold which may be a route i take sometimes given my feel for the situation or wat kind of player ur up against.

lovebeefstew · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject:

You guys realise we really aren't that short at all for this stage of a tournament and stacks on the table. Shoving pre isn't good imo. Stealng from UTG at this stage is just silly. And that's what you're doing if you shove since you'll only get called by a better hand.

francois8 · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject:

FWIW, I wasn't saying I wanted to shove... just wanted to hear other's thoughts on it. I definitely agree you're only getting called by better. Probably 80-90% chance it folds around though... at this stage its probably an unnecessary risk for the potential award.

adam27x · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject:

folding pre looks good to me

lovebeefstew · Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:19 am Post subject:

Fwiw I don't mind a standard raise given that I think some of those resteal stacks might come in alot lighter than AJ. But if we're called by a big stack and miss im certainly never taking it past the turn.

tracysanders · Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:53 am Post subject:

fold preflop

c/f flop

As played on those 2 streets, I think I like check/shoving turn. I don't see him playing the Q here without a reraise, so I check- let him juice up the pot a bit and come back over the top of him. He will lay down any Kx besides AK imo, and if he has the Q say GG.

alew22 · Full House Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 180

M~7= shove/fold preflop........what makes this hand any different? I'd fold it pre, but if i were to play it, def jam.......i dont see any other option

lovebeefstew · Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:43 am Post subject:

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